11:01:29 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	sounds like a country song
11:08:44 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	The Literary Lab Report on bankspeak:  https://litlab.stanford.edu/LiteraryLabPamphlet9.pdf
11:10:28 From  Kevin Stonaker  to  Everyone:
	B
11:10:29 From  Barry Berejikian  to  Everyone:
	c
11:10:30 From  Cathy Laetz  to  Everyone:
	B
11:10:31 From  James Ness  to  Everyone:
	C
11:10:31 From  John Kayes  to  Everyone:
	B
11:10:31 From  Mary Hunsicker  to  Everyone:
	C
11:10:33 From  Alex Konkel  to  Everyone:
	d
11:10:34 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	c
11:10:35 From  Stephanie Stead (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	C
11:10:35 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	c
11:10:36 From  Katie Barnas  to  Everyone:
	c
11:10:39 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	c
11:10:41 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	d
11:10:46 From  Richard Ji  to  Everyone:
	b
11:10:57 From  Richard Ji  to  Everyone:
	b
11:13:16 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Clearly these folks didn't see "Conjunction Junction, what’s your function?”
11:13:17 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	The Economist article on the Literary Lab Report:  https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/05/29/a-spat-over-language-erupts-at-the-world-bank
11:14:18 From  John Kayes  to  Everyone:
	Schoolhouse Rocks!
11:14:45 From  Stephanie Stead (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	You read my mind @Jen Zamon!! 😆
11:15:10 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	NOAA people (and FAA people who can get around the firewall), you can sign up to participate in Week 1 Working Circles here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17ry5-PdWi2UjPUk_VAHZv9MtkMCc7Fuu0laltWsKcOU/edit#gid=0
11:16:49 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	What happened at the World Bank? Can we ask our working circle compadres?
11:18:49 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Clearly, what happened during the pandemic is an illustration that ramming facts w/o unified messaging doesn't work. And people can die.
11:21:36 From  James Ness  to  Everyone:
	Also Carl Jung in archetypes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes
11:29:13 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Here's the full video.  Matthew Winkler - What makes a hero?  https://youtu.be/Hhk4N9A0oCA
11:31:14 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Watch the last few minutes!  It tells how the hero's journey applies to your everyday life.
11:31:39 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	The ABT Blue Card:  http://storycirclestraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ABT_3_steps.pdf
11:31:39 From  Elizabeth Stulberg, Lewis-Burke Associates  to  Everyone:
	I've seen that video lots of times too now, and I always wonder if all those stories were written by men. I wonder if the stories women tell are structured differently - or not.
11:31:47 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Okay everyone, today we want you to all try adding in your feedback for these ABTs based on everything you've learned so far.  Think of this as good practice for your Working Circles.
11:32:21 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	And even if you're uncertain if your feedback is correct, put it in chat anyway!  It might spark an idea in someone else.  Remember, this is brainstorming!
11:33:00 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	Not wasting money?
11:33:13 From  John Kayes  to  Everyone:
	runways are falling apart why?
11:33:15 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	or effort
11:33:19 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Ultimate goal:  Maintaining runways.
	Proximate goal (the specific action to help achieve the Ultimate goal):  provide better guidance
11:33:20 From  Alex Konkel  to  Everyone:
	do the treatments need R&D or is the guidance the problem?
11:33:55 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	HEAVEN and HEAVEN but HELL therefore ACTION.
11:34:05 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	What is heaven for a runway?  We all want well-paved, safe, smooth runways…
11:34:23 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	we have things, but we don't have good guidance on maintaining them, therefore we need better guidance.
11:34:27 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Make the blue part a Heaven, an ideal world that we'd like to achieve.  Save the problem for the HELL section of the red.
11:35:20 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Wants = Ultimate Problem.
	
	Needs = Proximate problem (the specific thing we need to do to help fix the Wants)
11:35:42 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Tell me why good runways are important..."and if we maintain them well then (what's good), but we don't have good guidance on how to maintain them.
11:36:49 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Is it poor communication? Lack of knowledge? Broken communication?
11:37:00 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Need guidance that provides an appropriate review on status of runway
11:38:01 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	BUT we don't have the right guidance BECAUSE R&D hasn't gotten us to where we need to be
11:38:26 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	There is no R and D on that
11:38:32 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	BUT runways are falling apart due to lack of guideance
11:38:52 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Because the necessary research is lacking...
11:39:21 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Great comments so far everyone, keep it up!
11:40:15 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Data access
11:41:15 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Ultimate goal:  Making data available.
11:41:33 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Why should we care about data availability?  What do we need to know beofre we understand the problem?
11:41:44 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Minor point...don't tell me the results will have a "tremendous impact", show me that they will have a tremendous impact...specifics
11:41:48 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	The list is extensive (meaning, its a huge scope)?
11:42:00 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	I think the Proximate goal is:  Prioritizing data.  
	
	Once the data is prioritized, we can make it available (the Ultimate goal).
11:42:20 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	The process is daunting BECAUSE
11:42:27 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	What good things happen if data is available?
11:42:54 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Jen - Good thinking.  It would be nice to drill down to the specifics with a BECAUSE.
11:43:03 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	What bad things happen if the data is NOT available?
11:43:21 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Daunting = costly? time-consuming? data is buried?
11:44:21 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Show, don't tell!  Screenwriting rule #1.
11:44:45 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	lead the reader/audience. Because then they are participating in the narrative, right?
11:45:11 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	The writer C.S. Lewis told a young girl who said something was beautiful..."don't tell me it's beautiful, describe it and let me conclude it's beautiful" The power of story rests in the specifics...
11:45:15 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Great point to remember - state the problem so the audience comes up with the adjective you want…
11:45:25 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Yes!  There should be a logical flow that the audience should follow.
11:46:57 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	OR...another thought...Is data availability essential to analysis so if data is available then we can do XXX analysis. Then the problem becomes data is not available.
11:47:12 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	FYI:  For my ABT Builders for today, I'll save the chat log and post it to the Resource Page under session 4 so you can get the chat notes.  http://abtframework.com/abt-framework-course-round-26-faa-noaa/
11:47:53 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Is there a difference between data availability and data management? Sepcific ords may matter how people view this problem.
11:48:46 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	can hatchery fish adapt?
11:48:58 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	population recovery (or not)
11:48:59 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Story of: recovery
11:49:00 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	rebuilding populations
11:49:24 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	OR ability to adapt
11:49:30 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Assumption that they CAN recover
11:49:36 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	or have capacity to recover
11:49:46 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	Problem: hatchery fish replaced wild fish
11:49:52 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	I see several levels and problems...seems the problem is Green River salmon may not adapt.
11:50:33 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Ultimate goal:  Supporting Recovery.
	Proximate goal:  Need more data on salmon adapting
11:50:58 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	There were good (at the time) reasons for using the GR salmon...start there in the AND section. Then turn on we don't know if they can adapt.
11:52:54 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	If you set up the problem well then I'm happy to hear the details of how you will solve it.
11:53:42 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Have people applied this to things like writing their grant proposals? I am trying to do that out now.
11:54:54 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	LOL! No one REALLY knows!!!
11:55:00 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Great question Jen!  I'll have you ask it next.
11:55:51 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	I think so!
11:56:13 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	I know Diana!
11:56:26 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	The “And Frequency" is such a powerful tool - any thoughts why this is not talked about in wider audiences?
11:56:30 From  Mary Hunsicker  to  Everyone:
	At what point in a presentation do you state your ABT?
11:57:18 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	My advisor use do tell us (1) What is your hypothesis? (2) how will you test it? (3) why should anybody care?
11:57:36 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	we used to call this the “Monty Python" method - what is your name, what is your quest, what is your favorite color?
11:57:50 From  Julie E. Claussen  to  Everyone:
	@Jen - I love that!
11:58:18 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Dianna Padilla on writing proposals:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHO_of_r5g0
12:00:25 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	I would change your advisor's advice to "What you know" "What you don't know" and "How you'll proceed"
12:00:49 From  Mary Hunsicker  to  Everyone:
	thanks!