10:58:15 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Yay - it's Dianna Day!
11:04:34 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Now is the time for each of you to be involved. Let's see your thoughts/comments in the chat! See if you can beat Randy to the analysis...
11:05:27 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Saving killer whales
11:05:30 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Anyone have another thought?
11:05:33 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	sampling in the right place
11:05:40 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Looking in the right place
11:06:20 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	I still have a few Week 2 Working Circles that haven't hit their 2 participant minimum yet.  Head here to sign up:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17ry5-PdWi2UjPUk_VAHZv9MtkMCc7Fuu0laltWsKcOU/edit#gid=0
11:09:21 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	BUT BECAUSE most research occurs in waters where the whales are increasingly absent....
11:10:01 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	A general rule is that the better you are at setting up your blue and red material, the longer and more specific the audience will let you be in the green.
11:10:17 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Hmmm…interesting point Matt.
11:11:05 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	Are you trying to get at why their distribution changed?  Or are you just wanting to follow where they go?
11:11:11 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	expand the red so that the challenges outside of inland waters is covered
11:11:12 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	So is the problem is what we know is from a different environment?
11:11:42 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	@Chris - good question.
11:13:16 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	Is the problem a bunch of words and no action?
11:13:41 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Every good idea needs a champion….to keep that momentum going.
11:14:02 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	It's as if everyone agreed that Frodo should take the ring to Mt. Doom, but then nothing happened.
11:14:06 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	why great ideas fail
11:14:29 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	bulldogging
11:14:57 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	To me the "therefore" doesn't seem to offer a solution.
11:15:15 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	@Jen - yes, and champions need support to remain motivated
11:15:17 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Jen - congrats, you beat Randy to the note!
11:15:19 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	that salemanship that was discussed last week
11:16:33 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	@Marlis tell me about it! I am more like Katniss Everdeen - I don't want to bother with that popularity politics but in the end you need to do that to convince folks to some extent (or you need a partner who is more friendly than you)
11:18:22 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	Including that chapter is leading by example
11:20:41 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	Safe runways
11:20:43 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	@Zen - yes, scientists are really BAD at self-promotion, including their great ideas and passion.
11:22:49 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	@Richard is there a lack of knowledge /system for characterizing pavement smoothness?
11:23:04 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Lead with smoothness is important. Save the rough for the But...but pavements become rough and unsafe because they decay...
11:23:04 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Is it important to measure
11:23:12 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	is it a problem of maintenance or a problem of detecting when it needs to be maintained?
11:23:38 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Don't mention rough until the but where it's the problem.
11:23:42 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Sorry - is it important to quantify categories of decay so we can evaluate effectiveness of treatment?
11:35:52 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	We'll have time for a Q&A today.  You can post any questions for Dianna in chat and we'll call on you.  Or you can hit the Raise Hand button.
11:37:06 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	This would seem to apply to writing journal articles as well.
11:38:05 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	It seems like you can merge #3 and #6 - does that help make a well-written proposal? Use #3 from the RFP to make sure you aren't falling into #6 trap?
11:38:32 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Jen - I'll call on you first.
11:39:19 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	@ Jen, and I would include #4 too
11:39:26 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Questions: What are GOOD questions to ask a program director?
11:40:27 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Marlis - you're next.
11:41:58 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	@ Marla you are right - #4 too
11:42:01 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	If the RFP is to solve a particular set of problems then it could help to show how you will meet what they want...but depends on the nature of the call...
11:43:34 From  Sarah Morley   to  Everyone:
	Can we get copies of these slides, or the general content?
11:43:37 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	If I recall, the rule for TV is that you have to tell the same info a minimum of 3 times so that the audience gets it.
11:45:27 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Sarah, we have a general policy of not sharing slides, but I will have Dianna's first outline slide up on the resource page:  http://www.storycirclestraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/abt_proposal_fixer.png
11:45:48 From  Sarah Morley   to  Everyone:
	thanks
11:45:51 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Any other questions for Dianna?
11:47:24 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	All of this goes to the issue of telling the reader why they should care. If they program director expresses disinterest in something that tells you either how you have to demonstrate it's importance or go a different direction...
11:47:26 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Any advice on how to apply ABT when timelines for pulling together a proposal are short - sometimes deadlines are 1-2 weeks so there isn't a lot of time for asking for ABT feedback - how do we deal with that to help improve the work through editing?
11:48:37 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Thank you
11:51:51 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	@Mike - great suggestion!
11:53:15 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Dianna gained the intuition first, then she learned our ABT language to put words to what she was already doing.  :)
11:53:24 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Question: How do you convince reluctant co-PIs to simplify the narrative, reduce jargon and specifics? They love the weeds…
11:53:37 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	You're next Marlis.
11:55:14 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	If you do it right the reviewer after the first read can repeat to someone else the core narrative of what you are doing.
11:55:37 From  Julie Firman (she, her) Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife  to  Everyone:
	A great way to learn what works in proposals, interviews, etc. is to serve on panels that evaluate them.
11:56:27 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Julie - that reflects a rule in Hollywood.  If you want to be a better actor, be a casting director for a while to see all the mistakes other actors make.
11:56:59 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Randy's first proposal was short because it was chipped into stone tablets.
11:57:20 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Not so much age but experience/practice?
11:57:29 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	yes, Jen
11:59:25 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Great session! Thank you DIanna.