11:01:11 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Assuming there is no sound just yet?
11:01:42 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	You just heard us, right?
11:01:53 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	yep just now I did thanks
11:10:28 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	I've got a Working Circle on Monday that needs 1 more participant.  If I could get a volunteer, I'd really appreciate it!  Sign up here:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17ry5-PdWi2UjPUk_VAHZv9MtkMCc7Fuu0laltWsKcOU/edit#gid=0
11:12:49 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	a scented candle
11:13:06 From  Stephanie Stead (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	most importantly - is it edible? :D
11:13:59 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Lewis and Clark said it was the most delicious fish they ever ate
11:15:37 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Climate change can open up a whole can of worms depending on the audience.  If it's not necessary, eject it.
11:15:49 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Pick your battles!
11:16:51 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	Proximate goal...I'm thinking it's "we need to develop our understanding."
11:17:23 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	So if that's the proximate goal, we need to move it to the front.  It's the hero of the story, so be talking about the hero from the get go.
11:18:15 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Randy's set up leads to the obvious problem...but we lack this knowledge...the listener already suspects that even before you say it.
11:19:03 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	This is a good case of figuring out what level of the problem you want to focus on.
11:19:34 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	different cABT: We have something that is important, but people don't care, therefore we need to show it's importance
11:19:47 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	It is strange that eulachon supported entire economies but now no one know what they are.
11:20:11 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Proximate goal - make people care, so they want to fund research on the fish
11:20:16 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	My cABT was “We had an abundance of stuff, but now it's almost gone, so we want to get it back before it disappears forever.”
11:20:40 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	This is an inner group outer group problem. The inner group KNOWS that we need to save the fish, but the outer group doesn't even know what it is...need to reach to the outer circle.
11:21:46 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	the "it's not my problem" problem
11:21:54 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	We need collaboration among units to make things happen
11:22:15 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	yes
11:22:44 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Thanks for all the chat comments...
11:23:26 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	saving a family
11:23:28 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	reuniting
11:23:28 From  Chris Tatara  to  Everyone:
	broken promise
11:23:59 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	not reuniting
11:24:00 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	family is separated
11:24:17 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	problem - a promise must be kept
11:24:45 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	promise broken
11:25:22 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	but if that's the problem then the promise to keep his family together needs to be in the set up
11:25:30 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	need buy-in to fulfill promise
11:26:42 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	because of US redrawal
11:26:56 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	But that hasn't happened because of the hurried departure from Afganistan...
11:27:12 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	But that hasn't happened because the US withdrawal from Afghanistan messed up the plan
11:27:27 From  Marla Holt, she/her  to  Everyone:
	*withdrawal 
11:28:24 From  Marlis R Douglas  to  Everyone:
	Putting the blame on something in the past won’t solve the current problem. The current problem is that there is no administrative effort to make it happen
11:28:39 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	Focus on who made that promise - if it was Congress or the “stakeholders" then have to hold htem accountable
11:28:58 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	can you sat is drafting rather than endeavor to develop?
11:30:24 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	wow your dad lived dangerously!!!
11:30:36 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	they call this area the Graveyard of the Pacific...where was your mom?
11:51:38 From  Matthew David  to  Everyone:
	We've got time for a Q&A today.  Go ahead and put any questions you have in chat and I'll call on you!
11:55:55 From  Jen Zamon  to  Everyone:
	So is this “problem first/pain amplification” take one reason why TV serials like NCIS and Buffy the Vampire Slayer start the first two minutes of an episode with quick version of ordinary world abruptly interrupted by the problem (e.g. a graphic representation of dead body, a new monster attack) to hook audiences to watch the episode?  [BTW Randy if I recall correctly George Lucas was intimately familiar with Joseph Campbell's work and acknowledges its influence on his world-building and story-telling.]
11:57:49 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	Definitely, Jen. Those serial shows always start with something that end with you needing to watch the story to find the answer.
11:59:34 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	The cABT can be used like this at the outset of a talk...just the core narrative without the details. Then I want to listen as you flesh it out.
12:00:45 From  John Kayes  to  Everyone:
	Ty Park!
12:01:00 From  Mike Strauss  to  Everyone:
	and, yes, Lucas was a fan of Campbell.